We're Thinking About Facebook Wrong


GO BANKRUPT! – Worst company – My another website was gone. Just 7days ago, but website was updated in some functionaltiy. Till 2days ago, my website was running. Today when I opened my site, the website is missing. Only partial image or login part is showing. Backup funcionality is also that I was aware that it has been broken. They do not fix and did not fix it. When I contacted the tech support, most people do not remember what they talked and after couple of mins, they are always asking same question or I have to tell them again and again. They made me laugh hard,,,, I cannot believe that they are receing some stars for review. As much as you stay with them, you will see or something will happen to you.


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Usually I’m up in the description being like, “here are a bunch of things I wasn’t really able to fit in the video” but actually…turns out, if you let me go for 20 minutes, I get most of it out.

OK, I guess the one insight I had durning this that didn’t fit is to do with righteous superiority. It (and fear) are most effective on people who struggle with self worth (which is to say…y’know…basically everyone, but also some people more than others.) In particular, people who might have been told that they would have a lot of status but then ended up not getting it might be very susceptible to both fear-based and superiority-based content. Interestingly, the fear and the superiority almost always go hand-in-hand. Like, “here are the people you are superior to, and here is why you should be afraid of them” is a wildly engaging thought.

Anyway, this is really intense and I hope we all get through it.

2:00 So… Facebook is scary
3:56 We’re babies
6:58 Ok, but what is Facebook?
10:43 What should we do?
16:10 Platforms don’t just host!
19:02 Facebook is regulating society
19:40 The end

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44 Comments
  • ゴミクズ人Violet
    Posted at 20:30h, 14 October

    What's even scarier is that Google probably has even more control over how people think and no one even talks about it. Heck, even this website you're reading this comment on is Google and subject to Google's algorithms.

  • Liam Slate
    Posted at 20:31h, 14 October

    Mike Trapp!!!!!! Hank I love that we cruise similar parts of the internet. I'm literally wear a homestar runner shirt right now, I know you're down with Strong Bad

  • Lexwitch
    Posted at 20:32h, 14 October

    It is kind of shameful that the behaviour of Facebook was downplayed in this video.

  • 101
    Posted at 20:48h, 14 October

    Your input seems to be sumable to "the issue with Facebook is it allows 'alt right, anti vax' individuals' to post"

    If that's not what you meant to say you may want to listen to what you actually said and adjust

  • Soul Mechanics
    Posted at 22:51h, 14 October

    I'm better than this guy.

  • Soul Mechanics
    Posted at 22:55h, 14 October

    Damn straight! I am way ahead of you. We are scrubbing the platform as we speak

  • Rufus Jacson
    Posted at 23:19h, 14 October

    With the suggestion that FB is a baby, I can't help but think of the trope "if you had a time machine would you go back and kill Hitler as a baby?"…

  • superlevitaja
    Posted at 23:30h, 14 October

    It is sad that nobody talks about Facebook forcing people using their passport names which is essentially forcing you to publicize your personal information for the whole world the see, including hackers, stalkers, scammers, just too curious people, etc. Because many people and companies use Facebook as their only communication channel, they hold a monopoly over certain kind of information. You can't even see the comments under events where important details are posted without having a Facebook account. This seems trivial to many people because I guess the majority in English speaking countries do not have an unique name, though even then the hackers, coworkers, bosses, stalkers and other people you rather keep away from your personal life, can see your profile. Facebook supposedly does it to protect users but actually it makes people using the site more vulnerable. Smart scammers still create fake accounts and regular users use their full name. Facebook mistakenly thinks like using your legal name makes you behave better even though this is not the case. There are a lot of people harassing others and spreading conspiracy theories who use full names (more often than not they do). The motivation to behave has to come from within, not from fear of being punished because if that fear disappears, they will start acting shit again. The real reason why Facebook wants to use your full name as on ID is that they want people to add random acquaintances who they really don't know but whose name they recognize (for instance, they have been in the same school, never spoken to each other). Therefore people have more contacts and the ad revenue is bigger. I never use my name on the internet and actually, I don't even tell my full name to my friends, those who know it, usually happen to see something with my name on. But I never have a conversation with a friend who I meet outside work about my full name, unless it is for practical reasons (like transferring money). They might learn it in time, but on Facebook any person you have barely talked to, is a friend of a friend or just anyone random, will know your name and often also a phone number or an address.

  • Dave Lillethun
    Posted at 23:40h, 14 October

    Don't forget another reason Facebook might want to be regulated – one of the alternative solutions is to break them up using anti-Monopoly laws. Since being broken up is the last thing FB wants, they may welcome some regulation if it takes the heat of them for a while.

  • Agus Martínez
    Posted at 00:26h, 15 October

    Can someone put spanish subtitles??? pls

  • Pencir
    Posted at 02:42h, 15 October

    YO! Anyone else kinda feel like they wanna be a decentralized super-organism with humanity when they grow up?

  • Drew Northup
    Posted at 03:07h, 15 October

    Holy hell. You just Rick-Rolled a few hundred thousand people.
    Oh, and yeah, that's a nice summary of the landscape of thought about actually doing something not completely insane about "Social Media."

  • Entropie
    Posted at 03:22h, 15 October

    I closed my FB page because it just depressed me every day, especially during 2020. The horrible political venom-spewing, the jealousy of everybody else's wonderful lives, the silence of friends responding to MY posts (which, in all fairness, is probably more attributable to the algorithm, not my friends actively ignoring me)…

    But being off of FB has done wonders for my depression. I devote attention to more important endeavors. I'm bombarded by ads…less. Oh no. The ads are never gone. lol. I've cared less and less that I'm probably out-of-the-loop of the most current of current events. It almost feels like I have a life again. : )

  • Obioma Chukwuocha
    Posted at 03:44h, 15 October

    I also think Facebook wants to say that they support government regulation of themselves because they know it makes them look good and they highly doubt that the government would cooperate enough to do it

  • Conor K
    Posted at 04:02h, 15 October

    Fantastic discussion.

  • Kid Mohair
    Posted at 04:05h, 15 October

    Not only are we new at the internet, we are also pretty new to the civilization thing…

    That said, the trials and travails of communication technology from painting to writing to
    printing to radio to television to…internet…has been a story of regulation.
    And the purpose of all the regulation has been to make sure the kind of information that was being broadcast was firstly, true, and when truth couldn't be determined, at least balanced.
    The internet is not balanced. Nor is broadcast. It can't be as long as profit is the motive, because, if profit is the motive, then what sells, gets broadcast. This is still a problem in video broadcast…advertisers flock to eyeballs, so if eyeballs want places on fire and shoot'em-ups, that is what the advertisers will pay the video distributers to show…
    if it ain't burnin' camera's not turnin'…if bullets ain't flyin' why am I buyin'…("news" culture…
    that 's the "new at civilization" part)

  • Rachel K
    Posted at 04:09h, 15 October

    I got really into Facebook when I moved away from home, but I just can't anymore. I don't like who I am on Facebook.

  • H Johnson
    Posted at 05:16h, 15 October

    fantastic essay, and love the AART musical references 😉

  • Paulina Waszak
    Posted at 08:15h, 15 October

    I loved how simply you explained this issue!

  • spijkerpoes
    Posted at 08:22h, 15 October

    ok yesh fine: facebook is now only idling, waiting for a stalin type of person to stump on the gas and really unleash its true potential

  • can can
    Posted at 09:01h, 15 October

    Righteous superiority is an illusion. Why? Because universal ethics do not exist. No belief or ideology is perfect. Every system (belief and ideologies are also systems that govern individuals or societies) is designed to solve a problem under certain conditions, and conditions change. Evolution is a thing, so what you believe now can be completely useless in some other condition. Example? Cannibalism. You might think it is an unacceptable act, but the same time some people survived because they did it. So your righteousness about an issue might be very situational. Another example is veganism. They are right about meat consumption. Industrial production of meat do cause problems. But at the same time, not every country consume as much as US, for example. And when you get rid of biggest consumers, veganism doesn't make sense anymore since rest of the world does not consume enough to create problems. And that leads to another problem: We almost always argue about this topics on internet revolving around US and its politics, which only represent a fraction of the total population of the world. I still remember righteous superiority of Americans when we argued about dictatorships in past, for example. It is a shame they needed a close call to wake up to reality.

  • Šimon Hrabec
    Posted at 11:07h, 15 October

    I think have a mode (optional) that would disable all kind of recommendation would be good. All input would be sorted by chronologically and just what I subscribed to.

  • Shankar
    Posted at 11:40h, 15 October

    i think that it's not as obvious as you think what is socially destructive content… and here we return to the same problem that we have with ai driven cars…. how do we translate imperfect and ill defined human values onto technological decision making

  • Marc
    Posted at 11:54h, 15 October

    I don't think it's easy to "update" the rules for the internet on the side of legislators. The internet and by extention social media is something international. If the US congress makes up a bunch of rules for it it will affect the rest of the world. The rest of the world tho had no say in who is in the US congress and what rules get put in place. It's especially bad since a lot of these big tech companies are based in the US, if that was more spread out it could be more "fair" to the rest of the world.

  • anteeko
    Posted at 12:00h, 15 October

    I am sure facebook will be happy to advice politics on how to set up regulation for their industry. They have a lot to gain for have favorable (to them) regulation

  • Aaron Stier-Cohen
    Posted at 12:10h, 15 October

    Dude nobody thinks this is the destination. This is the beginning of the end.

  • Red Green
    Posted at 12:33h, 15 October

    Say what you will about Facebook but when Disney gets the rights to David Fincher movies and starts pumping out sequels, The Social Network 2 is gonna have some great material to use

  • robdh4
    Posted at 14:38h, 15 October

    Reading some articles it was mentioned that in India, Facebook owned services are the backbone of a large portion of business communications. If the outage lasted a few days it could have potentially collapsed the Indian economy. A select few tech companies are holding too much power with potential for disaster. They need to be regulated but how do you truly regulate multinational corporations that are larger than most world governments.

  • Victor
    Posted at 14:55h, 15 October

    bad: company makes decisions on what to show: bias, make ppl sad, manipulation, control persuade ideas, spread false news

  • Nankita D
    Posted at 15:57h, 15 October

    This video was very good and insightful. I think more people should see videos like this to truly understand what we are going through and why things are going the way they are, so we can start thinking about solutions to our problems as a society.

  • Marie Domander
    Posted at 16:50h, 15 October

    Loved this.

  • Isaac Sutton
    Posted at 17:04h, 15 October

    I wish there was a reason for these companies to make their algorithms clunkier. Or use human curation in literally any capacity.

    I love discovering new things but its hard to have an adventure on these platforms when I'm not really the one driving the car and they incentivize same-y content. Even on tiktok, which takes me down so many rabbit holes, I don't really feel like I get any choice in the matter. It just does things that help the feedback loop.

    At least we still have the subscriptions tab. :'/

  • Jack Rose
    Posted at 18:49h, 15 October

    All of this is why I deleted my freakin account lmao

  • Albin Sandin
    Posted at 19:34h, 15 October

    ”Like, hello vegans”

  • commandZee
    Posted at 20:42h, 15 October

    Regulation… maybe in an ideal functional democracy. In this plutocracy big tech, just like other powerful entities, will buy the legislators that will represent and enable their interests in government. Like big oil and the military industrial complex, big tech will also have the majority of legislators in their pockets within a decade. It's likely many of the politicians attacking them currently are just shaking them down for future campaign contributions.

  • Dimensionaught
    Posted at 21:01h, 15 October

    Pretty much entirely opinion. Not educational. Punish this.

  • Balry
    Posted at 21:04h, 15 October

    As a programmer watching and agreeing with you that heard your call to action… I much rather work on creating an AI that is alive and will replace humans instead

  • TJ Peden
    Posted at 21:59h, 15 October

    I'm waiting for the day when someone accidentally recreates something from past Pizzamas and it was so long ago that Hank and John forgot about it, it gets released and the line that none of that merch will ever be available again becomes a lie 🤣🤣🤣

  • K Roseun
    Posted at 22:30h, 15 October

    "Hello, Vegans." Haha

  • Kai Katonina
    Posted at 22:57h, 15 October

    Another big problem about US government regulating social media is that vast majority of users aren't American. Deciding on those regulations must be a democratic process where everyone is represented, not just citizens of one country. We don't need even more ways for US to dictate the rest of the world how to live

  • Jim Henning
    Posted at 22:58h, 15 October

    Mmhm. 👍
    5:15 So, I'm honestly not the type to crow, but, for the record; I'm actually pretty good at this.
    🥰😎✨

  • Jim Henning
    Posted at 23:38h, 15 October

    Best video ever.

  • Kurpify
    Posted at 02:13h, 16 October

    Watching this video has made me feel righteously superior.

    (Jokes aside great and thoughtful video!)

  • Helen Mendes
    Posted at 03:42h, 16 October

    need pt-br captions asap so i can share this!! can you open the transcripton option?